XMA Message Board
These discussion forums are dedicated to the discussion of XMA - Xtreme Martial Arts.
For the benefit of the community, please observe the following posting guidelines:

1. No Advertising. This includes promotion of commercial products and non-commercial products which are not directly related to XMA.
2. No Flaming or Trolling.
3. No Profanity, Racism, or Prejudice.
4. Site Moderators have the final word on approving/removing a thread or post or comment.

If you notice that someone is abusing these guidelines please email us at XMA.


Forgot Password ?
New ThreadMy SettingsMy PostsSearchForum Home
     
  Discussions  General  Unmarked Master...
 Unmarked Masters?
 
 12/6/2006 12:38:05 AM
Kakal
6 posts


Unmarked Masters?
QuoteReply
I have a questions for all of you, to at least start up conversation. Can someone who doesn't take classes or get taught by by an instructor be a type of master of the martial arts? Or would that be classified under some other category like worldy trained?


 12/8/2006 7:23:07 AM
breakinthemix
15 posts


Re: Unmarked Masters?
QuoteReply
Well, what is your definition of master? How people define master is hardly objective so you have to take that into account.
 12/10/2006 1:08:21 AM
Kakal
6 posts


Re: Unmarked Masters?
QuoteReply
I'm gonna have to go with a person eminently skilled in something. Something being martial arts, since this is a MA forum :P.


 12/11/2006 7:17:58 AM
TeamSharkey
78 posts


Re: Unmarked Masters?
QuoteReply

 Kakal wrote

I have a questions for all of you, to at least start up conversation. Can someone who doesn't take classes or get taught by by an instructor be a type of master of the martial arts? Or would that be classified under some other category like worldy trained?

 
Well, let's see.  Somewhere along the line someone had to develope a system of fighting without actaully having to take a lesson.  If not how would we even have the fighting arts that we do today?  So yes it is possible for someone who has no background in a formal system to become a master of a system.  What you have to look at though is how long has he been doing the system, what measurment of success of the techniques that he uses, has thise person used this system in an actual combative situation.

 


If you think you can't. Then you are right.
 1/5/2007 8:42:49 AM
EagleScout316
32 posts


Re: Unmarked Masters?
QuoteReply

Very true, Jer, and yet, slightly off, and I'll explain in a second.  Look at the monk that created the Crane style.  While in the garden one day, a monk saw a crane ravaging the garden area, and so he came at it with a staff.  But with each strike, the crane drew back, and then darted forward.  By watching the movements of the crane, the monk developed a system that provided a great defense and an offense against several bandits later that year.  Even if you look at other animals, you can see their martial and civil behaviors.  The snake, always coils his body, giving his attacker the idea that he is small and incapable of attack.  But when the attacker comes forth, the snake darts forward to attack, moving up to half of his body length within one second.  So from this, it is understood that we learn from others, whether they be human or of the natural world.  So while it might be true to say we don't exactly need human instructors, because we can learn from the natural world.  However, since there is no such thing as free will, but rather, cause and effect thinking that truly exists, one can see that as human beings, we learn from everything else in the world, but seem to not have a natural fighting method, unless you count Grog hitting Ugg in the head with a stone or a large heavy club.  Well, where did animals learn from to find out how to attack?  Through animals, the ability to defend and attack is inherent; that is, it is a collective unconscious built from years and years of generation after generation of the active need for defense and attack for the purposes of survival.  As human beings, though, survival as become less and less a problem for us over the centuries.  For instance, would a young child in America today look at the way a dog moves to see how it defends and attacks?  Probably not.  The kid will most likely go to the much less effective McDojo around the corner in some mall.  And that's what the world has broken down to, due us lacking the need to an unstoppable martial/civil way.


-Eagle Scout 3:16
  Discussions  General  Unmarked Master...