yea but that belt doesnt make him that way. didnt cheick kongo beat a bazillian from the chute boxe academy?? kongo is crap when it comes to wrestling, jiu jitsu, takedown, etc. but my point is the belt is just a reflection of a status within an organization. Eddie Bravo was i think a purple belt and still having mechanical problems with his work. there are so many levels to jiu jitsu its not even funny. yea karo is a black belt in bjj but i think first and foremost his judo shines through. how do you get to the ground? what did he start first? what sport was he doing for the olympics? Wrestling doesnt have belts. why should anything else be any different?? Its funny that way. Josh kos is a black belt in wrestling!!! yea and so is tito ortiz but look what randy couture did to him. he dominated him. all im saying is ppl with a black belt dont mean anything. its there skill, attributes, and heart that seperate them from everyone else.

peace. Randy

cool. who do you study under.